Episode 312 - Everything Points to Jesus!

Everything...points to our Jesus! Colossions 2:12-17

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Uh you're trying to be a little more honest, you said I want to be honest, yeah. Yeah. Because you don't think we could get through more than uh five verses? No, I don't know. Have you not listened to the podcast, Robert? I've never heard of this podcast before. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Sometimes we do three verses.

SPEAKER_02 0:45

Sometimes we do. In like 18 minutes. Yeah. It's really good. Alright. Oh, well, I've already started it though. Oh, have you? I have. Me, me, me, me. Uh welcome to Two Brothers One Bible Podcast. I'm Robert Twakefield. I'm Peter Sears, and I forgot to do that last time. I forgot to introduce ourselves. I'm so excited about that ice cream. Well, I did. I did. And uh so I I apologize for that. Well, welcome into the show. We're so glad that you are listening today. And we'll be sure to let us know uh what you think about these episodes. If you have questions or whatever, uh please use that text feature that says send us fan mail. Okay. And it will just go right to our email address. We don't have your phone number or anything. Yeah. Uh we just have your message.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

And we would love to hear from you. If it's something nice, address it to Peter. If it's something not nice, address it to Robert. How about that? Well, that's that's a thought.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

I haven't really given that any uh consideration, but I really appreciate you doing that. All right, we're in uh we're in Colossians, we're in chapter two. Today we're going to shoot for the lofty honest goal. That's what we were talking about when we started. The honest goal of uh 12 through 17. All right. All right, so honestly read.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

All right, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God who raised him from the dead. When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having cancelled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us, he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. Having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore, do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a new moon, a celebration, or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come. The reality, however, is found in Christ.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

All right, so that is the word of the Lord, and we get right into verse twelve there that says, being uh buried with him in baptism, uh raised with him through faith. So this baptism picture, let's talk a little bit about baptism. So uh, you know, the it's the picture uh uh of the burial, uh the resurrection, and then the union with Christ. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

So that's that's you know, I really think you know a lot of pastors will say before they baptize someone, you know, buried and you know, with with Christ and raised again to new life. And I think that comes out of what he says here in verse 12. Right. And what he's doing is he's making a word picture in 12 based upon what he said in verse 11 about how Jesus circumcised us of the flesh. Right. And so what we see in baptism is uh is the you know, the person disappears down into the the waters and then comes up, and so it's a it's a death and then it's a rebirth, and that's what he's saying here. Right. Uh which one in the Greek there's a there's a you in front of baptism, in front of your baptism. So having been buried with him in your baptism, it's it's the the verbs are are connected with the other you's that are in here. Oh, okay. Uh and also this speaks to the necessary the the when that I'm not gonna say necessary, baptism by immersion. Right. You don't get the same image with a sprinkling, you don't, do you? No.

SPEAKER_02 4:25

You really don't. You don't get it's not it's not any kind of burial. You don't just sprinkle some uh dirt on you and say, well, he's buried.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Right, yeah. So Paul uses the word baptizo. Actually, baptism is a transliteration of that Greek word, and we see in in Greek literature the word baptizo is used when a a dog was dipped in a tank for fleas, it was baptizoed. Okay. Uh we see baptizoed when a ship uh got a hole in the bottom and it sunk, it was baptizoed. Uh okay. So it is it is definitely a word that implies immersion to be to be put under.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

That that's that's important to know. And uh, you know, it this whole thing about the baptism is is the fact that you just don't believe in Jesus, but you per actually participate in his death and resurrection. Yes. And I think that's I think that's what sometimes we lose that imagery in our minds sometimes when we witness a baptism. We we we we see them go under and everything, but boy, if we stop and think that this is uh this is a birthday.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Um I I think I've told this on the podcast before, but my youngest daughter, uh, when she wanted to become a Christian, she said, Dad, I want you to to baptize me. And I said, Well, that'd be great. I'd love to do that. And she said, I want to do it on Sunday, November the 17th. And I said, Oh, well, that that's neat. Well, and you you're doing that, that's really fun that you're wanting to do that. She said, Well, Dad, that's your birthday. I want it to be my spiritual birthday. Great, yeah. And that's something, yeah. And she said that, and I've never forgotten that. Yeah, and and it was it's just and and uh again, it's more than just getting wet. I mean, this is we're reenacting uh uh the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus through baptism. And I I think it's an important thing.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

Absolutely, yeah, and I think you know, to have that that date for her, she knows you know, the month, the day, the year. Right. Because when our adversary, the accuser, whispers in our ears, we can say, no, no, no, let me take you back to November 17th. Exactly. Right. You know, that was that was done, and and I was crucified with Christ, and I was buried and dead and resurrected uh in my baptism.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

And and it's funny that you mentioned that because that's what he says right there in verse 13. Yeah. Uh you were dead and God made you alive in Christ. Yeah. He talks about that. So, you know, uh again, we've we've mentioned this in the in podcast before that when Paul talks like this, he's not he's not, you know, saying that you know you were sick.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

No.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

He's not saying you were struggling. He's not saying that you're wounded or hurt. Right. He's saying you're dead. Yeah. There's a there's a finality to that in some ways. I mean, when you're dead, you're you're dead. Dead people can't you know, dead is dead. He ain't getting no debtor. No. I think that was a quote off of a Disney movie. Okay. Okay. Uh dead people don't uh contribute. This guy writes. They don't cooperate and they don't negotiate. How about that? So, but God has made us alive. And and through that, you know, salvation is you know, is given to us through resurrection. Yeah. So what do you think what's some of your thoughts about baptism here?

SPEAKER_00 7:45

Well, you know, not only does he talk about being dead in our sins, because that sin equals death. He he's very clear with that in Romans. Uh, but then he goes back on the circumcision thing and says that we're uncircumcised, therefore we have flesh.

SPEAKER_01 8:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

And so the only way to properly remove the flesh is in Christ. He removes that for us. But I like the word alive. Did you look that up in the Greek?

SPEAKER_02 8:10

I did. Let me see if I got that or not. No, I do not have that one.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Uh Zeus purio is what it is. And it's two words. Uh Zuso in there in the middle is alive. Okay. But he put two Greek words together so it's alive together. Oh. So it's not just that we're alive, it's not like the resurrection of Lazarus that he became alive. We are only alive because we're in Christ. Oh, wow. So it's not like we were dead and then he made us alive again, and then off we go. Mm-hmm. Our life is connected to Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Oh. Now, you know, I I missed that in verse. That was 13, wasn't it? That was. God made you alive with Christ. Yeah, I I did not uh I didn't catch that. That's so good. And then um he he goes on there in verse 30. He forgave us all of our sins. Yeah, did you notice the all there? I did notice the all there. All our sins.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

Didn't say a few, didn't say some.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

Not the bad ones.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Occasionally.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

Yeah, the the bad ones are are are forgiven. The the the white lies are. You're gonna have a coupon for that. You gotta have a coupon. It's all. Yeah, it's all of them. Yeah. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

You know, this, you know, I we we're making a big deal of it because it's a big deal. Because there's there's some who want to say that what Jesus did on the cross was a partial atonement. Everything he did was a hundred percent. Oh, absolutely. There's nothing we have to do on our part, there's nothing that was left undone when Jesus died on the cross and rose again on Easter Resurrection Sunday. It was a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

It's it it just it just blows me away. Yeah. I I have no words to to think about what that means to us as Christians and to a lost world that finds that to know that their sins have been paid for in full by Jesus Himself going to the which Jesus was God.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

So God paid the price for us that we should have been paying all along.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

Now, what kind of loving God does that? It's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. I I I cannot wrap my head around the fact that you know God had this plan in place from the beginning. Yeah. And he knew He knew he was gonna have to give Himself in order to make us pure and clean as white as snow. Yeah. You know, it's it I I can't I have no words. No. I have no words. No. All right. Well, he forgave us all of our sins. Uh in verse 14, I think that's where we are, right? Uh verse 14, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us, he's taking it away, nailing it to the cross. So this this is more courtroom in imagery. Yeah, it is. Yeah. So because he canceled the charge. Yep. Yeah. And talk about that little cancellation there.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Well, you know, and and he is using these legal terms, and so it's not a matter of us saying we're innocent. We're we're guilty. We know we're guilty. We know we did it. Everyone in the courtroom knows we did it. Right. So it's not a matter of guilt or innocence. We're condemned. Our sin condemns us.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

And and so uh, you know, instead of saying canceled, you can say wiped out, you can say paid for. So it's it's not a matter of of changing the charge. We're charged, but it's been taken care of. Someone who who doesn't owe it says, I'm gonna pay for that. Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

Oh man. That is that is incredible. And then the fact that he says it's nailed to the cross. Oh it's it's very public, yep. It's very visible, yep. And the big thing is it's final.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

I mean, there's nothing else we have to add to this to receive uh his grace and mercy because our indebtedness is paid.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Wow. It's paid in full. And I think that's what he Jesus said in the cross, it is finished. To telestim.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

Which is the Greek word they would use when when you had a bill paid for, they would write to telesti on the bottom, paid in full.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Paid in full. Wow. That that's just great stuff. All right, and uh we're up to uh verse 15, I think. Uh having disarmed the powers and authorities, what is what else does it say? Uh he made a public spectacle of them trying triumphum. It's easy for me to say triumph for uh triumphing, thank you by the way. Over the thank you so much. I don't know, I struggle with. I can speak fluent Greek. Yeah, but I can say the word triumph. Isn't it something? Thank you so much. Yeah, but uh he disarmed the powers and authorities. Now, when I think of this disarming, I think of uh again a military term. It is uh you know, he's disarming, he's taking away uh their swords, he's taking away their guns, he's taking he's totally disarmed them that they cannot hurt us because we're in him.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

That word can be translated also spoiled or plunder. So you're exactly right, this is a military term. So that's where Paul's going. Right. And so he's talking about because that's how soldiers got paid, was you win a battle and then you get to loot, you know. It's like whatever you can carry, whatever you want. That's that's yours. Right. And so that when Jesus died on the cross, he disarmed those powers and authorities. And I went right back to Ephesians where he talks about powers and authorities.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

But then he picks up this disarm theme again when he says public spectral. He's talking about that triumphal entry that the general would come in on the white horse, you know, leading the procession about we're conquering heroes, and that's what Jesus did. And and he said he did that on the cross. And I like that the word the is there. It's not a cross, right? It's not some cross, it's the cross.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

Yeah, that that's good. Uh this guy wrote this the cross wasn't Christ's defeat, it was his victory parade. Amen. Never thought of it that way. But you know, you're right. It's it's this total disarming, it's it's this uh, you know, being made a a public spectacle, it's all this triumph over the crow by by being on the cross, all of these things he did out of love for us. Yeah. And and I think that's one of the messages that Paul is trying to convey to these Colossians that look, this is all motivated by his love for us, every bit of it. Yeah. And if we don't have that love, uh, you know, if we don't feel that love, then what what was the purpose of it, you know, if if he didn't love us that way? Right. So what what are some final thoughts that you have on this little section?

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Well, I like where he he heads. I mean, he he really talks about all these great word pictures and and talks about what's happened where you were, you were dead, you were in the flesh, you were carnal, and now you're reconciled with God, and and look what Jesus did on the cross for you and has these pictures. And now when he gets to 16, he says, Therefore, he said, like because of all this, or as a result of what he did, this is how you know ought to act. Right. You know, he didn't he didn't do this just because he didn't have anything to do on Friday, right? You know, and so we need to live in light of the crucifixion and the resurrection. Right. It needs to make a difference in our life, and so he brings out some very practical points in in the rest of this chapter.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

Yeah, and and so in these verses that we just covered, what is the one verse that stands out to you in in this little section that we did uh 12 through 17?

SPEAKER_00 16:13

12 through well, we haven't got to 16 and 17 yet.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

Oh, oh we oh we I thought we were already there. No. Well, you hold it. Let me check my notes. Huh? I don't think I have sixteen and I I don't. Oh I don't know, I do have it. Oh, I've I've got it on a different sheet. Well okay, let's do 16 now. All right.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

It says, therefore, do not anyone judge you by what you eat or drink with regard to religious festival or new moon or celebration or a Sabbath day. That's that's 16. Okay. And so what he's saying here is is that's that old Jewish thinking. Again. And so, you know, it's it's holding on to the past and letting it define your future. Right. And so he's saying, look, you know, you can't you can't, you know, you can't be a former Jew and a new Christian. Right. Now you're a Christian. And and I've I've done a lot of work overseas, and there's there's a problem, especially in in religions where they have many gods. Well, I'm just gonna add one more God. So Jesus is a part of many gods, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

And it's and what he's saying here in 16 and 17 is look, that's gone. Right. Give that up. And and don't let those past behaviors impact your future relationship with Christ.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

You know, we get stuck in that.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

Well, we get stuck in that. Uh we get in our spiritual walks, wherever we come from, uh you might have uh this idea, well, I can't eat certain foods or drink, or I can't do this particular festival, or uh whatever the thing is. These were these were all these Jewish ceremonial laws, but we have man-made laws that we do that we bring into our church. You can't you can't uh have uh worship service until 10 30. Right. Yep. And if you have it any earlier, just wrong. You're doing something wrong. Yeah, or you can't uh gotta have the Lord's Supper every single Sunday, or you know, whatever the situation is. Sure. Um our spirituality is not based on this. So he's saying don't judge, don't let anyone judge you for those things because those were those were nailed to the cross.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Yeah, and I like what he says in 17. It reflects what we we learn in Hebrews, uh chapters eight and chapter 10, where he says these are shadows of things. They're not the real thing, it's a shadow, and it's all about Jesus. Because when he says we're to come, he's talking about Jesus. That's the reality, it's found in Christ. And so we get caught up in such silliness sometimes, Robert. We really do, and and so Christ is supreme, he is the one who did it all, he's the one we need to worship, he's the one that we need to imitate. And so let's keep our eyes focused on him.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

That's exactly right. This guy wrote this. Uh I'll share this right quick. Shadows are helpful, uh, but you don't hug a shadow when the person is standing right there.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

There you go.

unknown 19:12

I like that.

SPEAKER_02 19:13

And so that's, you know, that's exactly right. We don't hug the shadow, and the all this stuff was a shadow, just like you mentioned. Yeah. Uh, that all points to Jesus. Amen. Everything points to Jesus. Yep. Wow. Well, thank you so much for listening to today's episode of Two Brothers One Bible Podcast. I'm Robert Waitefield. I'm Peterson. And we are going to pick up in uh chapter uh verse 18 of chapter two in our next podcast. Sounds good to me. All right. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.